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Message: [QUOTE="Scarlet Devil, post: 408660, member: 31045"] Depending on the game I think ADS does serve very specific purposes. We can all agree that its pointless in boomer shooter like games as the pacing of those games require you to always be on the move. At most they have a sniper rifle type weapon where its the only weapon with any zoom function. By the same metric, with realistic tactical shooters, its required as you're usually not given a crosshair to aim with and at most would have a red dot for hipfire. But looking at games that are in between that would have a lot more mixed results. FEAR is neither boomer shooter nor realistic but is some weird middle ground that could probably only exist in the world of '00 FPSes. It does feature an ADS like mechanic that offers the same trade off most games will bring with ADS. Which is your aim becomes more accurate at the expense of your movement speed. FEAR is a little freak because its one of those games where your aim does become more accurate, you do slow down, but you don't actually aim down the sight and your vision is just slightly zoomed it. I do still end up using it because I swear it makes the shotgun spread a little tighter. Plus having your vision slightly zoomed in more is helpful in a lot of games including fear during the rare times you are not shooting guys in an office building. Of course the movement speed penalty isn't that bad in fear since the main mechanic of the game is the on demand slow motion button. Ultimately I would say the ADS mechanic in FEAR is weird by today's standards but certainly not obtrusive or entirely nessicary. Blood West is a recent FPS I've played that seemingly intentionally nerfs the player's aim. This one is certainly more on the tactical side of things but still very arcadey for the lack of a better term. Its a immersive sim like game but functions more like a stealth shooter with some imsim like interactions and has a list of skills to pick from using points that you gain from a level up. Right off the bat, hipfiring in Blood West is inaccurate to the point where you might as well not try unless the enemy is in your face. With the game being wild west themed, the only gun you would feasably hipfire are shotguns. This certainly feels like an intentionally thought out design choice because blood west is very much the kind of game where they want to make a small group of enemies feel very dangerous. They even go as far to induce some aim sway to ADS, which can be mitigated by purchasing a perk. Enemies are certainly fast enough to make back pedaling while aiming not viable. The ultimate intent here feels like to prevent ranged options from being too powerful as if the player had perfect accuracy or no movement penalty, theres no challenge. When you do use guns or bows, it has to be a lot more intentful where you consider your positioning and enemy count more seriously than other games. I certainly dont mind any of this and find it to be a reasonable challenge because without the aim sway, id probably trivalize the game by nailing easy headshots. What I would like to see more from FPSes, particularly ones that are more of an RPG, is to play around with character skill being tied to weapon accuracy. It can be done in ways where shooting isnt miserable but just less effective than you would expect of most games. Such as making recoil harsher at lower skill investment, having aim sway like in blood west or capping the maximum accuracy. Hell I'm crazy enough to say that reload speed should be also tied to character ability with ranged weapons. Just nerfed enough where you cant preform special forces tier room clears with a character that found their first handgun and landing consistent headshots. But still effective where with some intentional positioning and strategy, even an unskilled character can effectively use a gun with the common sense an average person would have. TL:DR, theres a time and place for ADS in a game but it certainly should be given some thought relative to how fast paced a game is, how much does tactics and realism factor in, and how deep do you want your RPG mechanics to go. Bonus thought: Does focus shot in a shoot em up count as an ADS since it gives you more accuracy at the cost of movement speed? [/QUOTE]

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