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Okay, seeing the Nonary Games thread by a different poster made me think I want to write this one.

I played Danganronpa - Trigger Happy Havoc on a whim once because I really like games that have big mysteries and conspiracies to solve. It was quite a thrill.

The second game felt a little forced in some aspects but everything does make sense after a given point, as it reaches internal consistency.

If you are familiar with the series, you know what comes next, the elephant in the room, Danganronpa V3 - Killing Harmony. I went in completely blind (as I did with the other two) and honestly loved everything about it, it was setting up to me my favorite of the classic trilogy...

Spoiler and rant incoming!

But then, in the final chapter...


We get that absolutely ridiculous reveal that none of it is real and the characters don't exist, that it is all just a fabrication of Team Danganronpa.

I get it, of course it is true, you know it, I know it, it's fiction, of course. What killed the wind off my sails is Tsumugi, a character within the fictional universe, having awareness of this, and being the willing host of any number of Killing Games while working for Team Danganronpa themselves.

I realize one possible angle of this is just Spike Chunsoft being tongue-in-cheek about the corpus of the work and the whole last segment of the game served as meta commentary, in a sense.

Tsumugi herself seems to be a sort of stand-in for the fan of the franchise on one side and Shuichi and the other future survivors kind of go out of their way to seemingly berate the player (that is essentially part of the greater audience of the killing game, more than an agent in the story) for liking what amounts to entertaining, somewhat violent but ultimately harmless fiction.

I'm probably misreading the authors' intents with all this but it felt disingenuous and even somewhat offensive to me as a fan, and left me with a bad aftertaste, despite really liking V3 as a whole.

Also, it could be that they did this just to leave it to the player's interpretation whether to believe Tsumugi or not, as well as create some room for a possible sequel, though I don't personally believe that since the main series' writer left Chunsoft and all we had since V3 was the somewhat dubious Danganronpa S. A nice bit of fanservice, perhaps a covert apology to fans, but hardly a true Danganronpa game.

My personal interpretation is that part of what Tsumugi says is true: she did try to replicate past killing games in a controlled environment and did broadcast it to an audience, as it had been done before, but to an audience in universe, not out of it (us).

I see what she says as the characters not being real as an allusion to the fact she wiped the memories of the participants and fed them unreliable information to get her plan along, but, for me, at least, the V3 killing game is absolutely real within the fiction and Tsumugi has nothing to do with Team Danganronpa, nor does she truly bridge the fictional and real universes, despite her apparent awareness.

She is the Ultimate Cosplayer and could fabricate lies, clothing and other articles wholesale, and she defines herself as a copycat criminal as well, which means she is imitating Junko, by and large, same M.O.

Of course, the fact she can't cosplay as the characters involved in the V3 killing game itself is something of a flaw in my logic - it would be to her advantage if she could impersonate other participants and complicate things even further, but since Tsumugi is an unreliable narrator and as much of a liar as Kokichi, if not more so, she might be lying about the whole Cospox excuse.

Thank you for your kindness if you take the time to read my massive rant, and please don't forget those spoiler tags.
 
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Okay, seeing the Nonary Games thread by a different poster made me think I want to write this one.

I played Danganronpa - Trigger Happy Havoc on a whim once because I really like games that have big mysteries and conspiracies to solve. It was quite a thrill.

The second game felt a little forced in some aspects but everything does make sense after a given point, as it reaches internal consistency.

If you are familiar with the series, you know what comes next, the elephant in the room, Danganronpa V3 - Killing Harmony. I went in completely blind (as I did with the other two) and honestly loved everything about it, it was setting up to me my favorite of the classic trilogy...

Spoiler and rant incoming!

But then, in the final chapter...


We get that absolutely ridiculous reveal that none of it is real and the characters don't exist, that it is all just a fabrication of Team Danganronpa.

I get it, of course it is true, you know it, I know it, it's fiction, of course. What killed the wind off my sails is Tsumugi, a character within the fictional universe, having awareness of this, and being the willing host of any number of Killing Games while working for Team Danganronpa themselves.

I realize one possible angle of this is just Spike Chunsoft being tongue-in-cheek about the corpus of the work and the whole last segment of the game served as meta commentary, in a sense.

Tsumugi herself seems to be a sort of stand-in for the fan of the franchise on one side and Shuichi and the other future survivors kind of go out of their way to seemingly berate the player (that is essentially part of the greater audience of the killing game, more than an agent in the story) for liking what amounts to entertaining, somewhat violent but ultimately harmless fiction.

I'm probably misreading the authors' intents with all this but it felt disingenuous and even somewhat offensive to me as a fan, and left me with a bad aftertaste, despite really liking V3 as a whole.

Also, it could be that they did this just to leave it to the player's interpretation whether to believe Tsumugi or not, as well as create some room for a possible sequel, though I don't personally believe that since the main series' writer left Chunsoft and all we had since V3 was the somewhat dubious Danganronpa S. A nice bit of fanservice, perhaps a covert apology to fans, but hardly a true Danganronpa game.

My personal interpretation is that part of what Tsumugi says is true: she did try to replicate past killing games in a controlled environment and did broadcast it to an audience, as it had been done before, but to an audience in universe, not out of it (us).

I see what she says as the characters not being real as an allusion to the fact she wiped the memories of the participants and fed them unreliable information to get her plan along, but, for me, at least, the V3 killing game is absolutely real within the fiction and Tsumugi has nothing to do with Team Danganronpa, nor does she truly bridge the fictional and real universes, despite her apparent awareness.

She is the Ultimate Cosplayer and could fabricate lies, clothing and other articles wholesale, and she defines herself as a copycat criminal as well, which means she is imitating Junko, by and large, same M.O.

Of course, the fact she can't cosplay as the characters involved in the V3 killing game itself is something of a flaw in my logic - it would be to her advantage if she could impersonate other participants and complicate things even further, but since Tsumugi is an unreliable narrator and as much of a liar as Kokichi, if not more so, she might be lying about the whole Cospox excuse.

Thank you for your kindness if you take the time to read my massive rant, and please don't forget those spoiler tags.
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i think DR1 gets often uncredited for its many quirky (albiet somewhat unintentional) subtitles. After Hagakure makes a declaration that no one will ever be murdered, his silly little lines becomes a reality. Ch4 was a suicide, not a murder, Makoto prevented Donut-girl from genociding the whole class by pretending to be blackened and Mukuro was dead before the trials even happened. The game is also one giant metaphor for graduation, downright to students being “trapped”, wanting to “break free” and being told “they won’t survive in the real world”. Do keep in mind this is only a bit of a stretch to us global goofballs, but I bet this was really obvious to native Japanese folks! I love DR1 for this. I also love Celeste and Kirigiri they are soooo girlpop. Makoto was great as a protagonist and Hagakure was funny as hell. Glad to see Junko die though! What a skank.

DR2 might be my favorite.

The thing you mentioned about V3 is actually a really valid point to bring up. I don’t like V3 but this time it’s not because the game is bad, but because danganronpa loses its alluring charm when the metaphor is so obvious. It’s also really intrusive. Three survivors is also kinda cruel. Kiibo unalives himself for no reason :/. What a bitch.
 
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i think DR1 gets often uncredited for its many quirky (albiet somewhat unintentional) subtitles. After Hagakure makes a declaration that no one will ever be murdered, his silly little lines becomes a reality. Ch4 was a suicide, not a murder, Makoto prevented Donut-girl from genociding the whole class by pretending to be blackened and Mukuro was dead before the trials even happened. The game is also one giant metaphor for graduation, downright to students being “trapped”, wanting to “break free” and being told “they won’t survive in the real world”. Do keep in mind this is only a bit of a stretch to us global goofballs, but I bet this was really obvious to native Japanese folks! I love DR1 for this. I also love Celeste and Kirigiri they are soooo girlpop. Makoto was great as a protagonist and Hagakure was funny as hell. Glad to see Junko die though! What a skank.

DR2 might be my favorite.

The thing you mentioned about V3 is actually a really valid point to bring up. I don’t like V3 but this time it’s not because the game is bad, but because danganronpa loses its alluring charm when the metaphor is so obvious. It’s also really intrusive. Three survivors is also kinda cruel. Kiibo unalives himself for no reason :/. What a bitch.
DR1 is probably the best of the bunch in general, but it lacks the mechanical refinement V3 brought in and some of the characters are a bit meh. Celeste and Toko are probably my favorites on that one.

I don't outright dislike DR2 but some of the trial minigames are irritating (V3 made them better) and there's a lot of busywork with the
Monomi tamagochi thing
even though you can technically ignore it.

As for V3, I really wish I could have
Saved Kirumi and Miu, if I could change the story. These two are my favorites despite how different they are. I guess I can find some solace in the extra mode.
 
DR1 is probably the best of the bunch in general, but it lacks the mechanical refinement V3 brought in and some of the characters are a bit meh. Celeste and Toko are probably my favorites on that one.

I don't outright dislike DR2 but some of the trial minigames are irritating (V3 made them better) and there's a lot of busywork with the
Monomi tamagochi thing
even though you can technically ignore it.

As for V3, I really wish I could have
Saved Kirumi and Miu, if I could change the story. These two are my favorites despite how different they are. I guess I can find some solace in the extra mode.
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if I can give any words of consolation with regards to v3 is that the final chapter has one BIG positive about it that’s SEVERELY overshadowed (and understandably so!) but ita weird twist. The big positive is that if you read bsck on the dialogue again, you are going to notice that V3 isn’t completely self aware in the way you think. It’s self aware in a way that’s obnoxious, sure, but it’s also vaguely aware of that! Shuichi DOES actually (albiet really really subtly) call out the game’s OWN twist for being bullshit. Shuichi DOES legitimately challenge the negative aspects of the game that we do dislike. THERE is that type of self awareness. Unfortunately, adding to what you said, it is hard to appreciate because of what we lost. It feels the game over did it a bit haha. It’s one of those weird instances where the negatives just outweigh the good stuff hahahahaha. That’s just life, right? We can’t always have nice things :/
But I still wanted to provide a positive interpretation anyways. I don’t fully believe in it, but I do believe it softens the blow a bit!
 
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Okay, seeing the Nonary Games thread by a different poster made me think I want to write this one.

I played Danganronpa - Trigger Happy Havoc on a whim once because I really like games that have big mysteries and conspiracies to solve. It was quite a thrill.

The second game felt a little forced in some aspects but everything does make sense after a given point, as it reaches internal consistency.

If you are familiar with the series, you know what comes next, the elephant in the room, Danganronpa V3 - Killing Harmony. I went in completely blind (as I did with the other two) and honestly loved everything about it, it was setting up to me my favorite of the classic trilogy...

Spoiler and rant incoming!

But then, in the final chapter...


We get that absolutely ridiculous reveal that none of it is real and the characters don't exist, that it is all just a fabrication of Team Danganronpa.

I get it, of course it is true, you know it, I know it, it's fiction, of course. What killed the wind off my sails is Tsumugi, a character within the fictional universe, having awareness of this, and being the willing host of any number of Killing Games while working for Team Danganronpa themselves.

I realize one possible angle of this is just Spike Chunsoft being tongue-in-cheek about the corpus of the work and the whole last segment of the game served as meta commentary, in a sense.

Tsumugi herself seems to be a sort of stand-in for the fan of the franchise on one side and Shuichi and the other future survivors kind of go out of their way to seemingly berate the player (that is essentially part of the greater audience of the killing game, more than an agent in the story) for liking what amounts to entertaining, somewhat violent but ultimately harmless fiction.

I'm probably misreading the authors' intents with all this but it felt disingenuous and even somewhat offensive to me as a fan, and left me with a bad aftertaste, despite really liking V3 as a whole.

Also, it could be that they did this just to leave it to the player's interpretation whether to believe Tsumugi or not, as well as create some room for a possible sequel, though I don't personally believe that since the main series' writer left Chunsoft and all we had since V3 was the somewhat dubious Danganronpa S. A nice bit of fanservice, perhaps a covert apology to fans, but hardly a true Danganronpa game.

My personal interpretation is that part of what Tsumugi says is true: she did try to replicate past killing games in a controlled environment and did broadcast it to an audience, as it had been done before, but to an audience in universe, not out of it (us).

I see what she says as the characters not being real as an allusion to the fact she wiped the memories of the participants and fed them unreliable information to get her plan along, but, for me, at least, the V3 killing game is absolutely real within the fiction and Tsumugi has nothing to do with Team Danganronpa, nor does she truly bridge the fictional and real universes, despite her apparent awareness.

She is the Ultimate Cosplayer and could fabricate lies, clothing and other articles wholesale, and she defines herself as a copycat criminal as well, which means she is imitating Junko, by and large, same M.O.

Of course, the fact she can't cosplay as the characters involved in the V3 killing game itself is something of a flaw in my logic - it would be to her advantage if she could impersonate other participants and complicate things even further, but since Tsumugi is an unreliable narrator and as much of a liar as Kokichi, if not more so, she might be lying about the whole Cospox excuse.

Thank you for your kindness if you take the time to read my massive rant, and please don't forget those spoiler tags.
 
@RageBurner it took me a while to write but you can read the real message! Last time I do tests hopefully haha x.c
Honestly what you sakd makes a lot of sense. I would hbeen fine with self awareness on the game's part if it was a hidden segment/omake.

Part of me believes this has to do with an incident thst involved the game (by mistake) in South Korea and ended up banning its sale there.
 
My experience with the entire Danganronpa franchise comes from the first anime series, which I watched as a teen and quite enjoyed! I planned to continue going through the story that way instead of with the games, because they teased a DR2 anime adaption at the end of the first series, but then they skipped straight to adapting 3 and I kind of lost interest.

I do still really like the series’ visual design and characters, though, and the original soundtrack is great! Combining a high-school battle royale with Ace Attorney makes a ton of sense, and it’s easy to see why this franchise was so popular with adolescents in the 2010s.
 
My experience with the entire Danganronpa franchise comes from the first anime series, which I watched as a teen and quite enjoyed! I planned to continue going through the story that way instead of with the games, because they teased a DR2 anime adaption at the end of the first series, but then they skipped straight to adapting 3 and I kind of lost interest.

I do still really like the series’ visual design and characters, though, and the original soundtrack is great! Combining a high-school battle royale with Ace Attorney makes a ton of sense, and it’s easy to see why this franchise was so popular with adolescents in the 2010s.
If you understand that Kirigiri is the best character in the franchise you’re probably going to be fine.
 
If you understand that Kirigiri is the best character in the franchise you’re probably going to be fine.
WRONG!!!! I like Celestia best, her fake accent is hilarious.

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WRONG!!!! I like Celestia best, her fake accent is hilarious.

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Dude that’s the even better answer. Kirigiri is just me throwing a softball. You’ve passed the test quite spectacularly.
 
I tend to gravitate towards characters that have a hidden soft side (Toko, Akane, Miu) or that are naturally motherly (Kirumi).
 
I've been attempting to avoid spoilers. Will continue to avoid spoilers.

Is there a spoiler free FAQ to get into danganronpa? Start with the first game?
 
I've been attempting to avoid spoilers. Will continue to avoid spoilers.
Yes, do that exactly! Here's all you need to know:
Start with the first game?
Yessir! Start with the original Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc, which is available on all modern systems + PC and Vita, which was the original English version. From there, play 2 and V3 as expected, then feel free to dip your toes into the spinoffs (Ultra Despair Girls and the recent summer camp one).

The first anime series is a condensed version of the original game, and I think the one for V3 tells a supplementary story to the game, so it isn't best to dive in with those, but do consider them once you've completed the games – they're both pretty short and easy watches.
 
As far as I know the anime has nothing to do with the games past the very first series. The other anime series seem to be a supplemental prequel and sequel (divided into two arcs, each its own series) that concern events related to the first two games only.
 
Yes, do that exactly! Here's all you need to know:

Yessir! Start with the original Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc, which is available on all modern systems + PC and Vita, which was the original English version. From there, play 2 and V3 as expected, then feel free to dip your toes into the spinoffs (Ultra Despair Girls and the recent summer camp one).

The first anime series is a condensed version of the original game, and I think the one for V3 tells a supplementary story to the game, so it isn't best to dive in with those, but do consider them once you've completed the games – they're both pretty short and easy watches.
Correction—Danganronpa 3 anime is actually the conclusion for the story arc started in 1 and 2.
 
Correction—Danganronpa 3 anime is actually the conclusion for the story arc started in 1 and 2.
Oh my god, I did not know that! Does that mean the V3 game is actually its own thing "unrelated" to the first two? I know that's where the story goes a little kooky – surely it's best to play the first two games before it, though?
 
One of the reasons they called the game V3 is probably to dissociate it directly from the Hope's Peak arc, and the other reason is heavily spoilerish and I won't go into it here.

The canonicty of V3 is heavily debated among fans to this day, it seems (I'm rather new to the series myself, but it quickly become among one of my favorites in the point and click/adventure genre). I have my own take, which I detailed within spoilers on my opening post.
 
Oh my god, I did not know that! Does that mean the V3 game is actually its own thing "unrelated" to the first two? I know that's where the story goes a little kooky – surely it's best to play the first two games before it, though?
Kinda.
In V3, the previous games are just seasons of the in-universe Danganronpa show.
 

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