Cropping stuff that was in a 4:3 aspect ratio to 16:9 ruins it

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I mean, in tv shows, movies, anime etc that were in a 4:3 aspect ratio all the important info was on screen, but when cropping them to 16:9 there is info that is lost (dunno if I explained myself well). For example here is this simpsons scene where there was a visual gag that showed that all the 3 Duff variations came from a single pipe, but the cropping ruined the joke:
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Who are these people that don’t like watching video in 4:3!? In a time when everyone is watching TikToks vertically on their phone, you’d think everyone would be OK with a narrower picture!
Boomers with "flatscreen" TVs. And somehow they still think they need to spend $700 on an audio receiver that they also don't know how to use.
 
Even when it doesnt remove important visual info it still looks awkward
 
I mean, TV did it the other way around for movies since forever, it was called pan & scan, if you ever seen video game shorts on YouTube, those kind of require that too (or a tiny image with half the image empty).
 
@Leifang TVs back then kind of needed that. Many people's 4:3 TVs weren't very big to begin with, and trying to use only 3/4ths of an already small screen was probably difficult to see, so using pan and scan in 16:9 movies was a worthwhile compromise. I'm honestly amazed that game devs made split screen multiplayer work on those. Nowadays even working class people often have 30+ inch widescreens where it's pretty easy to see everything even with black bars on both sides, plus you can always press the zoom button on the remote if you want to convert 4:3 content to 16:9, without taking away the 4:3 option.
 
while I would prefer there wasn't cropping basically ever, I think the bigger issue today when it comes to media like movies or tv is that it's done in a lazy one size fits all way for 16:9. at least with pan and scan it's staged for whatever is important on screen. this simpsons example is a good one because they easily could have moved the image area they cropped higher and kept the joke in tact. I'm typically an open matte guy myself, I'd rather have more image, even if there isn't really anything there over seeing it stretched or cropped. more power to people that can watch or play things stretched to fill their whole screen but personally, it drives me nuts and I never do it on my own time if I can avoid it.
 
@Leifang TVs back then kind of needed that. Many people's 4:3 TVs weren't very big to begin with, and trying to use only 3/4ths of an already small screen was probably difficult to see, so using pan and scan in 16:9 movies was a worthwhile compromise. I'm honestly amazed that game devs made split screen multiplayer work on those. Nowadays even working class people often have 30+ inch widescreens where it's pretty easy to see everything even with black bars on both sides, plus you can always press the zoom button on the remote if you want to convert 4:3 content to 16:9, without taking away the 4:3 option.

It's still needed for things tailored to mobile screens, like YouTube Shorts or Instagram vids... Then with movies we just turn the phone sideways, there's black bars either way... In fact, on 4K TV I get black bars all the time, many movies are even wider so get boxed form top and bottom, and 16:9 content gets black bars on sides because it scales 3840 x 2160 UHD image to 4096 x 2160 DCI 1.90:1 screen. It's okay.

I didn't notice it at first since I usually gamed at a 1080p monitor, but when I played Final Fantasy on TV, it doesn't stretch to full... and 16x9 bezels still get bars on sides, and 16x10 is even worse.

I tried playing OG Tomb Raiders on Reroarch with widescreen patches, and I have to manually scale them to 1:2 because otherwise Lara gets stretched, as emus try to shove a PAL-native game into NTSC aspect ratio. When fixing it there's black bars on top and bottom, but without WS patch, it has 4:3 and bars on sides instead. The Remasters don't even get resolution options, which was ridiculous by 2024 standards!

P.S. On related note, it's a shame we don't get much split-screen nowadays, on a 50-inch screen you get 4 players with a dedicated 24-inch display for each of them, and even on a 30 inch, you get four 15-inch ones (yes, double the diagonal means 4 times the area for people who are confused, put a phone to display and count).
 
I mean. Blu-ray is a freaking disaster.
And I own a UHD Blu-ray player and several physical discs I bought (I don't just pirate shit :s)

It may be 4K HDR whatever... but if I'm getting HALF THE MOVIE, I'll take the DVD any day.
Heck I'll take a 4:3 480p rip off The TV.

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Take away is, is better to "acquire" a fullscreen version of the movie rather than buying the Blu-ray, in most cases.
Yes you get pillarbox on your wide TV, but you also get the full movie.
Your choice honestly.
 
I mean. Blu-ray is a freaking disaster.
And I own a UHD Blu-ray player and several physical discs I bought (I don't just pirate shit :s)

It may be 4K HDR whatever... but if I'm getting HALF THE MOVIE, I'll take the DVD any day.
Heck I'll take a 4:3 480p rip off The TV.

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Take away is, is better to "acquire" a fullscreen version of the movie rather than buying the Blu-ray, in most cases.
Yes you get pillarbox on your wide TV, but you also get the full movie.
Your choice honestly.
Ah the man himself! "I don't just pirate shit" lmao, I'm a proud pirate!

But yeah most of these are the true, especially for an old movies
 
Disney plus offered the 4:3 version after the backlash back then.
I got some examples will post later remind me if I don't.
Yeah but the 16:9 version is still the easiest one to find online

Btw I think the only show that originally was in 4:3 but got rereleased in 16:9 and didnt get any visual info removed was south park since instead of cropping the footage they extended what was on screen since they still had the original animation assets
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I mean. Blu-ray is a freaking disaster.
And I own a UHD Blu-ray player and several physical discs I bought (I don't just pirate shit :s)

It may be 4K HDR whatever... but if I'm getting HALF THE MOVIE, I'll take the DVD any day.
Heck I'll take a 4:3 480p rip off The TV.

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Take away is, is better to "acquire" a fullscreen version of the movie rather than buying the Blu-ray, in most cases.
Yes you get pillarbox on your wide TV, but you also get the full movie.
Your choice honestly.
yeah these days most of the movies I actually buy are the 4k blu rays and it's really weird to see which movies end up having the biggest loss of visual information because it tends to be things like these examples you really wouldn't expect the most 'premium' version to have. a lot of the time they're probably cropped to their intended theatrical aspect ratio but it's kind of a shame how many things open matte versions are either lost to vhs or full screen dvd formats. sometimes you come across them as the versions aired on cable tv channels and that's it. especially with modern tvs having higher aspect ratios in general it's weird we still get letterboxed versions of things in imax that fill the whole tv screen now. for a long time a lot of the modern marvel movies you could only get in imax ratio on disney +. idk if that's still the case but it was a dumb choice to begin with.
 
Movies should be presented in their original aspect ratio nowadays. There's no reason to crop it to 16:9 if the movie was in theaters as 2:35:1. Same with 4:3 to 16:9. Sure, most people now have 16:9 TVs, but it should ALWAYS be how it was originally.
 
Movies should be presented in their original aspect ratio nowadays. There's no reason to crop it to 16:9 if the movie was in theaters as 2:35:1. Same with 4:3 to 16:9. Sure, most people now have 16:9 TVs, but it should ALWAYS be how it was originally.
Sure... unless the original version was heavily cropped then it's good to have a choice between theatrical and bonus versions. Some TV series were filmed in widescreen and cropped for TV then re-released on DVD/Blu-ray with full frame, stuff like that is really cool.
 

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