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Message: [QUOTE="LeoTCK, post: 413355, member: 100349"] MegaTon edition sucks and ruins so many things. Yet World Tour edition is hated simply because of Randy yet if you disable the fancy stuff its way closer to the original look and feel. But that's just me. Did you try the fifth episode from world tour btw? I only got to the second level, then lost interest for a while. Now I don't have it anymore, the laptop was lost in flood etcetera (and also my whole collection of cds and what not). What's for sure is that...ugh well you should try duke64 i think or the mod for eduke32. Those are good. There's also the playstation duke mod with its own exclusive expansion (yea...more shit to try, also it was the same developer as cancelled unreal psx which rework is the thing I'm working on or trying to but everything in my life made it drag out to hell, like its finished and at final betatest phase but I had relegated it to a single person who only could finish it now and I can only playtest in places like public library, not fun, its awful, anyway the level designers were different but the main people behind the game were the same). And...yea there's lots of interesting material out there. Remember though the expansions from Megaton, those are actually "unofficial" but commercial ones, as in it wasn't the apogee/3drealms approved continuation, its really more third party loose stuff. Like okay...I never got to finish the Sunstorm ones, I did play through many levels but didn't... I did finish playing Nuclear Winter. And...okay that's another story. Yes, its a bit done on the cheap but I really liked it myself surprisingly, when I played through it many years ago. Yes its not anywhere near the standard of the original but it was not meant to be. It was done by the team who was most often sponsored by wizardworks. They used to release at first shovelware and compilations. Wizardworks was a subsidiary of gt interactive which many people forget and it was often outlet for "unofficial" or "less authorized" compilation and expansions to come out to be sold or even outright mods that were bought out/turned commercially. Like there was Hzone for Heretic which had new episodes as well and even some replacement enemies and what not in them. Apart from all the official expansions it is the only commercial expansion for Heretic, included in that monstrous compilation/package. But it was done by the same team as Nuclear Winter. They also did Deadly Kiss, a cancelled expansion that has become "vaporware" thanks to Hendricks and his team. I had a big falling out with them because I was part of the team on the restoration but they put the project in a backburner and did nothing with it, they even lost my co-op testing reports and screenshots. I mean it was the simplest of the jobs most of the work has been done by the original team, just some little tiny bits needed fixing and...it was actually mostly complete compared to the stuff I got for Unreal including level infinity's steele dawn...and yea all those guys knew each other like...this team had even a cancelled unreal addon themselves, yes the nuclear winter/deadly kiss team had also made a commercial wizardworks to-be-published addon that was canned and some bits ended up in various projects and tcs and expansions. Even the official expansion Return to Na Pali used their camera system called UDSDemo. Which originally came from the sillysoft or like they renamed themselves later...Creative Carnage...yes that Creative Carnage...the makers of the infamous Extreme Paintbrawl on the Build engine. Now look, the real reason that sucked so bad is it was a gun for hire game by that terrible sports games publisher that made them rush it out. Wizardworks was a little better but they still didn't care as much about quality or consistency, it was the budget release market of gti and it shows. I'm familiar with many of those developers and chatted with them. Now the team and quality varied a little from game to game but its often the same shared people, some of them were shared between those different teams now and then too. Like some of the mappers contributed a level to like every of those expansions, yet the quality differed on how much time they spent on them and how rushed it was. There's just so much to say about these things, like...yea about Deadly Kiss on SW. It leaked in the end, the original version mostly, because they are/were planning for a makeover rather that became vaporware, but like...after the leak. I played part in it but unwittingly because there were team conflicts and there were like two guys involved that ran their own websites unrelated to duke4.net and they had personal grudges and I didn't know. And to me they all behaved awful and I felt used for their little conflict because it was me who got blamed for the leak. Like why do you do this? Prior to the leak I had never even talked to that other guy, corvin. So...it couldn't have been me who gave it to him right? No...they just used me and smeared me. There is an obvious link between that other guy and corvin but you know...and the other guy and me..so yea that's how it happened but I never agreed for it to be given out to corvin as some kind of revenge plot by them, which is what it was, but like the "other guy" was practically part of the restoration team too or almost was. He had access to some of that material already somehow which is how I trusted him and it was him who put me in touch with them in the first place and it all goes bloody full circle. But as usual, there is a lot of greed and power play in here and I just wanted to have none of it. One of the original devs got even disgusted with the team and left the chat seeing they were all egomaniacs. Despite their high status in the Duke and SW community I do not hold hendricks terminx and co in any high regard at all. I won't forgive them how they treated me and it is their direct fault that the leak happened because they treated those other guys including corvin very badly. And kept hosting their site despite splitting away from them, against their consent. So...who is really at fault here? Why do I have to keep clearing my name and bringing this story out? But I will because I was never a traitor. All I cared for was preservation of content and they betrayed it all for greed and politics and that somehow makes them worse for me personally than randy pitchford, who might be more powerful and "greasy" but he also did a lot of good things and sensible decisions. He used a lot of his money to put the former 3drealms people out of debt and all that. People forget that stuff and focus on all the bad things that are said about him. Also as for original episodes are concerned I did actually enjoy the space levels from episode 2. Not gonna lie. It might have been even better in beta versions or whatever but I still feel like its a solid episode and a change of tone. So I can't agree with you there. Duke doesn't have its basis in real-life locations. Duke started as a 2d game which featured a lot of space/funky stuff too. The space element is as important if not more so to some degrees but the character can exist in any space...he was always meant to be a spoof character anyways so you can throw him into any kind of location and somehow it will work itself out with his lines and everything he does. [/QUOTE]

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