Xeno series Megathread (gears, Saga, blade Chronicles)

Which games have you beaten?

  • Xenogears (PlayStation)

    Votes: 14 77.8%
  • Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht (PlayStation 2)

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Xenosaga Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Böse (PlayStation 2)

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Xenosaga Episode III Also Sprach Zarathustra (PlayStation 2)

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii, New Nintendo 3DS, Definitive Edition with Future Connected on Switch)

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • Xenoblade Chronicles X (Wii U, Definitive Edition on Switch)

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Switch) + Torna

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3 (Switch) + Future Redeemed

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Xenosaga I + II (Nintendo DS)

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Total voters
    18

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Surprised there wasn't a full thread about one of the most interesting and ambitious JRPG series(es) of all times. What started from "discarded drafts" for Final Fantasy VII due to being way too dark we finally got it as that Square Soft PS1 gem.
And then it kept rebooting and pass from a company (Namco) to finally the other (Nintendo).

Honestly? I like all 3 serieses (so far, I still have to keep with gears and properly start Saga with Episode I...Europe only got Episode II for whatever reasons) and, yeah, I won't lie that what got me the attention to discover it was, sure, Shulk confirmed on Sm4sh., but previously by hearing of Operation Rainfall where we got aside from XC1 also The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.
While the og XC1 on Wii felt very hard to me to get through, the Definitive Edition was my entry ticket to finally get into the whole series.

EDIT: whooops. Can some admin correct the platform of Xenogears by deleting the "2" from Playstation on brackets, please? Thank you!
 
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I've always wanted to try this series. I hear Xenogears tackles themes of Jungian psychology, as well as meditations on philosophy. What with NGE and the like, there seems to be a significant crossover between mecha media and psychology. I'm here for it. :P
 
A hot take but I think Xenogears would work best as a novel or manga, the narrative depth is constantly having to give way to the game part of the package, so much so that the second disc is basically a VN, which is unfortunately a constant in Takahashi's works, I keep wondering what Xenosaga would be like as the 6 games it was initially planned to be
 
The PS2 games are some of the more original JRPGs for the system. They have balancing issues but they're pretty fun overall. Xenoblade Chronicles was pretty ambitious considering Wii's capabilities but I'm not gonna lie, the amount of MMO-like side quests managed to grind me down and I never finished it.

I've also made a few attempts at playing Xenogears but I never got very far into it before getting bored and playing something else.
 
I play Xenogears every so often. I love this game, I really want to play the 2.0 hack by Alcahest. I don't care about any other game in the series because they all present like all it is is a pretty anime girl with no context whatsoever.
 
Did not even realise they were related. Stil have to try out any of the games.
 
Great games, my favorites are Xenoblade Chronicles and X.

2 was not for me so I'll refrain from speaking my mind. Skipped 3 but I've heard great things about it. I'm interested to see what Monolith comes up with for Switch 2.
 
Did not even realise they were related. Stil have to try out any of the games.
If I had known they were related the first time I discovered Xenogears, I probably would not have played and loved it
 
A hot take but I think Xenogears would work best as a novel or manga, the narrative depth is constantly having to give way to the game part of the package, so much so that the second disc is basically a VN, which is unfortunately a constant in Takahashi's works, I keep wondering what Xenosaga would be like as the 6 games it was initially planned to be
Actually I've seen people argue that it works well as a videogame
 
yup, I'm one of the weirdos that finished DS's Xenosaga 1 and 2

oh, and you forgotted Xenosaga Freaks, Xenosaga Outer Files Audiodrama, Xenosaga Pied Piper(already has a fan-remake) and Xenosaga A Missing Year(which is a ''game'')
 
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oh, and you forgotted Xenosaga Freaks, Xenosaga Outer Files Audiodrama, Xenosaga Pied Piper(already has a fan-remake) and Xenosaga A Missing Year(which is a ''game'')
Iirc polls can only have 10 entries max so maybe it's for the best that OP stuck to the games most people recognize.
 
Xenogears and Xenoblade are related?

That's like finding out Valis got a porn sequel
 
I play Xenogears every so often. I love this game, I really want to play the 2.0 hack by Alcahest. I don't care about any other game in the series because they all present like all it is is a pretty anime girl with no context whatsoever.

Is this a fear to prevent to play mainly Xenosaga and Xenoblade Chronicles 2? XC1 doesn't fall into the category at all, XCX has Elma, sure, but I wouldn't say she falls into the fanservice category at all. XC3 is also clean in general, considering also its main themes.

You forgot this one:
And Xenosaga anime series, y'know😁

Clippy with a little edit here: How about we stick to the purpose of the thread? Yes, we know what happened and we understand being upset about it but we've been trying to resolve things peacefully and fanning the flames further isn't helping. We don't want to do anything heavy-handed if we can help it.

I added that game in the poll @SoThankful @NeonKnights .

If it's because of the Xenosaga anime (which I doubt the guy was aware it wasn't a thing before doing quick superficial researches): I opened the thread to talk about the Xeno games. I mean: we are in General Gaming Discussions, what you expected 😅 . Not to mention that anime is loosely based on Episode I.

EDIT: ok, if it's just for the existence of that game: no problem.

yup, I'm one of the weirdos that finished DS's Xenosaga 1 and 2

oh, and you forgotted Xenosaga Freaks, Xenosaga Outer Files Audiodrama, Xenosaga Pied Piper(already has a fan-remake) and Xenosaga A Missing Year(which is a ''game'')

I want to add them since they are all games alright. But as the other guy says: limit is what it is. And I rather wanna add whatever new Xeno game will be made after. These aren't main games anyways.

Iirc polls can only have 10 entries max so maybe it's for the best that OP stuck to the games most people recognize.

Thank you for understanding.
 
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Xenogears and Xenoblade are related?
Xenoblade is Xenogears and Xenosaga's spiritual succesor

in fact, many of Monolith Soft staff are ex-employees from Square Product Development Division 3 that made Xenogears, Chrono Cross and DewPrism/Threads of Fate
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A hot take but I think Xenogears would work best as a novel or manga, the narrative depth is constantly having to give way to the game part of the package, so much so that the second disc is basically a VN, which is unfortunately a constant in Takahashi's works
actually... Xenogears was planned to be a multimedia franchise, some episodes were intended to be shown in a novel, manga or even OVA instead of a videogame but because to Square's situation wasn't possible and then Takahashi, Honne and Sugiura joined Namco to founding Monolith Soft and later some people started left Squaresoft after Chrono Cross and DewPrism to join Monolith Soft or become in freelancers with contract to collab with Monolith like Saga, Mitsuda, Kato or Tanaka
 
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Is this a fear to prevent to play mainly Xenosaga and Xenoblade Chronicles 2? XC1 doesn't fall into the category at all, XCX has Elma, sure, but I wouldn't say she falls into the fanservice category at all. XC3 is also clean in general, considering also its main themes.



Leaving aside the arrogance and clownery this guy is having ("only Xenogears and fuck Nintendo, ammirite". I'm seeing your costant provoking reacts. You started it all and I don't get it since it was just a thread to civil discussion about this universe of games. Also so much hate to N but then "Chrono Trigger good", huh) and the useless nitpicking over a series he doesn't care (your words. Also from a KH fan and with a character in propic from a Nintendo DS game is laughable and ridiculous. Making a fool out of yourself on your own): I don't understand what's the like about since I did added that game in the poll @SoThankful @NeonKnights . If it's because of the Xenosaga anime (which I doubt the guy was aware it wasn't a thing before doing quick superficial researches): I opened the thread to talk about the Xeno games. Since, well, we are in General Gaming Discussions, what you expected 😅 . Not to mention that anime is loosely based on Episode I.



I want to add them since they are all games alright. But as the other guy says: limit is what it is. And I rather wanna add whatever new Xeno game will be made after. These aren't main games anyways.



Thank you for understanding.
The context of the like was regarding to the fact I was unaware that there was a Xenosaga compilation game on the DS, and I might want to try it at some point.
I have played Xenogears on PS1 but I have not beaten any of the Xeno series games so I did not vote in the poll or read down the list far enough to see it was contained therein. As for the anime this is the first I have heard of it. The only game related anime adaptations I have seen are Pokemon Horizons, FF: Unlimited, Kirby and the Ninja Gaiden OVA.
 
I've played through Xenogears. I don't really remember much about it other than giant robots and that it was kind of boring. I played something like 15-18 hours of Xenosaga 2. Well, I say played but I'd say maybe about an hour of that time was spent actually playing the game. The rest was spent watching 30-45 minute long cut scenes. I'd rented it. I did not have any desire to re-rent it and finish it after returning it.
 
The Pieces of the Puzzle
There are games that wait decades to be played, and when their moment finally comes, you realize they were the missing piece of a puzzle you’ve been assembling for a long time.

The main pieces of this puzzle are:
Chrono Trigger, of course.

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Angel’s Egg, by Mamoru Oshii.
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(For the record: The film has just been released in theaters in Japan and North America, and it will soon be released in Italian theaters for the first time thanks to Lucky Red!
On that note, the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray of the remaster is already on sale and, above all, the Angel’s Egg: The Visual Collection artbook can be ordered, for example, in cdjapan.

Arthur C. Clarke
(In this case, Childhood’s End / Le guide del tramonto)
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Neon Genesis Evangelion: which, well, raised us and never let go.

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Let’s pick up the thread where we left off: Chrono Trigger.
You know it by heart by now, but I need to remind you of the famous Dream Team that developed the game:
Hironobu Sakaguchi (producer of the Final Fantasy saga)
Yuji Horii (director of the Dragon Quest saga)
Akira Toriyama (no comment needed)
Nobuo Uematsu (composer of the Final Fantasy series soundtracks)
and
Tetsuya Takahashi (Final Fantasy IV, V, VI, Chrono Trigger and, the reason we’re here, the sequel to Chrono Trigger and the twin of Final Fantasy VII: Xenogears)

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Genesis

It’s 1995, Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI have just been released, and Squaresoft obviously intends to continue the saga with the seventh chapter. Takahashi worked on the previous FF installments and, together with Soraya Saga, has an idea for a videogame that pushes even further the more mature narrative shift FF VI had imprinted on the series. The bosses at Square like the idea so much that Takahashi, who had never written a single line of text in his life, is immediately put to work on the script for FF VII.
When the first draft arrives on the Square executives’ desk, they are blown away. Nothing like it had ever been seen before: for the first time in videogame history, a story had been written for a truly adult audience, and to be fully understood it required adult knowledge. It’s not just a complex and mature story—already rare enough—it’s trying to communicate an actual philosophy. Playing it today, I think it was perhaps the first videogame created with the precise goal of telling a story—or rather, of communicating a vision (of the world, of humanity, of life). Today it would be thrown out without appeal, but at the time money was pouring in (the FF saga, Secret of Mana—also with Takahashi—Chrono Trigger), and the development costs of one misguided game didn’t risk bankrupting the company. So Square, in a move that was still very forward-looking, decided to give the green light.
Some pillars of the game were defined—Cloud and Shinra above all—but Takahashi’s script was too complex, full of extreme sci-fi, cultural references that were too highbrow (Sigmund Freud, Jacques Lacan, Carl Jung), and with too little fantasy to fit into the Final Fantasy canon.
Fortunately, Takahashi had just finished working on Chrono Trigger, which was doing extremely well, so Square decided to put him in charge of the team that would develop a generic Chrono 2, with much of the staff who had worked on Chrono 1. But after just a few weeks, it became clear that the lighthearted, playful world of Chrono Trigger was too constraining for Takahashi, and Square agreed to his umpteenth request (God, I wish I had bosses like that): to create a new IP, developed by much of the team that had made Chrono Trigger.
Naturally, the title was changed, and Chrono Trigger 2 became: Xenogears.

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The Union of the Puzzle Pieces

The core idea came from Soraya Saga (here pictured with director Ron Howard), also a Squaresoft employee and later Takahashi’s wife:

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“I came up with an idea about a deserted A.I. with feminine personality who becomes an origin of new mankind in the unexplored planet. Takahashi refined the idea into more deeper and mystic love story.”
— Soraya Saga

There are various points of contact among Angel’s Egg, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Xenogears, but the main one, in my opinion, is that they were all created to communicate something. Not just to entertain, not just to tell a story (already rare for videogames), but to allow a very specific person—the author—to communicate with the audience. You can feel the force and necessity to communicate coming directly from the author. In cinema this isn’t unheard of, especially in more independent projects, but for anime—and even more for videogames—these are practically unique cases.

(The reason why, in 2025, books and comics are still around despite cinema, TV, streaming, animation, and videogames is that in this respect printed paper is unmatched and unbeatable. Many works—especially debuts—are born from the individual’s need to express something, and that is what makes the difference compared to any other medium.)

The internet is full of endless reviews and analyses of the innumerable philosophical references in the game (which I have no intention of tackling); what interests me is highlighting its connection with spiritually akin works. Xenogears is to Takahashi what Evangelion is to Anno and Angel’s Egg is to Oshii.

It’s well known that Anno created Evangelion during a period of depression, isolation, and existential emptiness; the series was born directly from this crisis and from his desire to give meaning to his personal experience. The work is a catharsis for Anno (or at least an attempt at one), a way of exploring/giving shape to alienation and the difficulties of self-acceptance and connection with others.

People say Mamoru Oshii created Angel’s Egg after losing his faith (not true: this belief arose from a biblical error due to a mistranslation in a very old interview, which then became the camel passing through the eye of the needle), but it is true that the film is his personal reflection on religion, the meaning of existence, and the destiny of mankind.

Elective Affinities

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And so, Xenogears is for Takahashi exactly the same thing, with the difference that while literature and cinema were already mature media, Takahashi took an expressive medium that was still quite embryonic in this respect and turned it into a mature intellectual discourse.

This is not meant to be a hagiography: the inexperience of an author who had never directed a videogame in his life, and who—astonishingly—found himself with virtually total freedom to create one of the most ambitious games ever conceived, ended up producing something far from flawless.
Exactly like Evangelion, the work reaches the end with its breath short, its wallet empty, and fighting tooth and nail not to succumb to reality. For comparison: at that time Square took about one year to develop a Final Fantasy entry, while Xenogears required two—and even that wasn’t enough to fully realize the wild vision of Tetsuya Takahashi and his wife Soraya Saga. In hindsight, you could say that even four wouldn’t have been enough to achieve what they had in mind. (In their defense, they realized this at some point and asked to publish the game in two parts; but, just as it’s considered taboo today, at the time Square categorically rejected the request as absurd and understandably pulled the plug.)
Overall, though, despite the more than 60 hours required (even with the Perfect Works edition, which includes all the QoL features possible without access to Square’s source code), I’m glad that after thirty years I was finally able to play it.

For those who don’t want to waste time reading the whole review but want a sense of what we’re talking about, I’ll leave this authorless paragraph that, in two sentences, says everything I said in two pages:

“I think I still love this game. This was clearly an attempt to make the best game of all loving time. Not the greatest RPG, not the best game of the year, they thought they were making The Greatest loving Game Ever. As crazy as all of it was, I just find the whole thing charming. They wanted to make something that would be taught in video game literature classes in the year 2356 AD and just spewed their crazy all over the place unabated until Square kicked in the door and stopped the party.”
 
Man I guess I've beaten all of these except X and the DS remake. So apparently I love this series lol. Gears and Saga are amazing to me. The Blade games were all top tier for me too. 2 and 3 fall off a little bit for me but still love em overall.
 

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