Serious question about Nintendo remakes

[Gorse]

OK, RGT, I was just thinking about this question and realized that I couldn't come up with an answer, so I pose it to you:

Can you think of a good officially-released remake of a first-party Nintendo game that's come out in the past 20 years? That means from January 2005 onwards, though the original game can have been released in any year. First-party means no Game Freak, either, so you're not allowed to say HG/SS.

Am I forgetting something obvious? Have all remakes of Nintendo games sucked for the past two decades? The only thing that comes to mind is the Metroid 2 remake on 3DS, but even then it was shipped out to a third-party developer that basically just made a new game. Please, enlighten me!

 

[fake-kun]

Link's Awakening remake is pretty good.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

I really did like the Yoshi's Island remake on the DS, but I'm reading that it was outsourced to another studio... so it probably doesn't count? Damn, I think Nintendo properties just sucked when handled by them. What a way to twist the knife on their aggressive anti-fan policies.

 

[AnonymousCookieMonster]

Some games are technically remakes while just being ports... the GBA version of pokemon comes to mind vs the GB.

But unless a remake is required, i'm not sure why you'd want to. Plus almost every system has some type of gimmick to it, meaning it's not as easy to move unless you remove or simulate the gimmick...

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Intelligent Systems has made some decent remakes for Fire Emblem and Paper Mario. They've also worked on some less good ones. I think it is something that depends on the studio working on the remake.

 

[Tonberry]

OK, RGT, I was just thinking about this question and realized that I couldn't come up with an answer, so I pose it to you:

Can you think of a good officially-released remake of a first-party Nintendo game that's come out in the past 20 years? That means from January 2005 onwards, though the original game can have been released in any year. First-party means no Game Freak, either, so you're not allowed to say HG/SS.

Am I forgetting something obvious? Have all remakes of Nintendo games sucked for the past two decades? The only thing that comes to mind is the Metroid 2 remake on 3DS, but even then it was shipped out to a third-party developer that basically just made a new game. Please, enlighten me!

I guess it depends on what constitutes a good remake, but off the top of my head I thought these three were all great:

• Link's Awakening (it's just about as good as the original/DX to me, just a matter of preference, I personally love the style and the music, only real bad part is the slightly choppy performance)
• Super Mario RPG (my only gripe is that you can't turn off some of the new QoL that makes the game easier, made by ArtePiazza though, I forgot)
• Ocarina of Time 3D (seemingly pretty divisive, but I think the QoL adds a lot, especially when it comes to menuing, not sure if it counts though since it's Grezzo)

That's just off the top of my head. Thousand Year Door for Switch looks swell too, but I haven't played it.

 

[dropsmegamega]

I really did like the Yoshi's Island remake on the DS, but I'm reading that it was outsourced to another studio... so it probably doesn't count? Damn, I think Nintendo properties just sucked when handled by them. What a way to twist the knife on their aggressive anti-fan policies.

For real?????? I hated every second of it, the new style was a downgrade, the music was a downgrade and the new mechanics of character swapping were extremely tedious to the point I had to drop it...

 

[DunkeyKong]

There's a few I think like
-Super Mario 64 DS, one of the only and first Super 3D remake. Kirby's Return to Dream Land, pretty similar to how the GBA one does it

My favorite remake though, gotta be Ocarina of Time on the 3DS. It looks beautiful

 

[dropsmegamega]

OK, RGT, I was just thinking about this question and realized that I couldn't come up with an answer, so I pose it to you:

Can you think of a good officially-released remake of a first-party Nintendo game that's come out in the past 20 years? That means from January 2005 onwards, though the original game can have been released in any year. First-party means no Game Freak, either, so you're not allowed to say HG/SS.

Am I forgetting something obvious? Have all remakes of Nintendo games sucked for the past two decades? The only thing that comes to mind is the Metroid 2 remake on 3DS, but even then it was shipped out to a third-party developer that basically just made a new game. Please, enlighten me!

Aren't most nintendo remakes handled by third party devs at this point though? I think even the mario rpg one was. Basically first party nintendo focuses mostly on their big games nowadays. As for the quality of the remakes, I think they are too safe and at the same time not safe enough to be just the same game but improved, so they don't really appeal to me.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

For real?????? I hated every second of it, the new style was a downgrade, the music was a downgrade and the new mechanics of character swapping were extremely tedious to the point I had to drop it...

I respect your opinion, and can definitely see what you mean.

Still, something clicked with me in the remake that simply didn't in the original. Must be a case of me not growing up with the SNES.

 

[Azazelivae]

Hmmmm...... man the more i contemplate about this the more harder this is to pinpoint.

If First-Party meaning we can't use any Remakes that was developed by any partner ever, and considering you used Metroid II Remakes as an example.

Meaning basically any Remakes that Nintendo EDP develop directly right? man on the top of my head the only decent one is Link Awakening not gonna lie.

Other remakes that i personally find good like Fire Emblem and stuff came from Intelligent which is definitely not Nintendo's Remake by that qualifications.

 

[Tonberry]

Aren't most nintendo remakes handled by third party devs at this point though? I think even the mario rpg one was. Basically first party nintendo focuses mostly on their big games nowadays. As for the quality of the remakes, I think they are too safe and at the same time not safe enough to be just the same game but improved, so they don't really appeal to me.

Ah damn you're right, it's ArtePiazza. Might not count then!

 

[Gorse]

Aren't most nintendo remakes handled by third party devs at this point though?

Meaning basically any Remakes that Nintendo EDP develop directly right?

For the record: second-/third-party remakes are OK to mention, but they have to be of a first-party, developed-in-house-by-Nintendo game (not Pokemon). I was just being snarky in the OP.

 

[DragonMals]

Super Mario RPG (my only gripe is that you can't turn off some of the new QoL that makes the game easier)

Super Mario RPG Remake sucks. it doesn't contain Bruce Lee.

For my opinion on Nintendo remakes, it largely depends. But then again, I would just play the originals anyways cause the originals was during the time when Nintendo and other companies would drop anything and put as much love as it did. Remakes and Remasters are a HUGE hit and miss; like why did they have to rephrase the description of Mira Mira originally using the word Xenophobic to describe the place in Klonoa 2 but omitted it in the remake in the Fantasy Reverie series???

 

[dropsmegamega]

I respect your opinion, and can definitely see what you mean.

Still, something clicked with me in the remake that simply didn't in the original. Must be a case of me not growing up with the SNES.

Fair enough, I did grow up with the original, so anything less than it would be bad for me. Besides I was still hoping for a ultimate version with the GBA extra levels, but without its shortcomings.

 

[Tonberry]

Super Mario RPG Remake sucks. it doesn't contain Bruce Lee.

I'm not sure I understand.

 

[DragonMals]

I'm not sure I understand.

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

I'm not sure I understand.

They removed a lot of the pop culture references in the original due to legal/copyright reasons.

 

[Tonberry]

They removed a lot of the pop culture references in the original due to legal/copyright reasons.

Oh, okay. That doesn't bother me at all, personally.

 

[DragonMals]

They removed a lot of the pop culture references in the original due to legal/copyright reasons.

Copyright and Legal issues always sucks. Why remake a game if some games have references to stuff like that that cannot be transferred over to said remake? I know it doesn't make much of a difference, but I want to have stuff like this in my games.

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Copyright and Legal issues always sucks. Why remake a game if some games have references to stuff like that that cannot be transferred over to said remake? I know it doesn't make much of a difference, but I want to have stuff like this in my games.

Its one of the reasons why they have never localized Mother 3. Apparently the game is filled with pop culture references and music clips that would get NOA in copyright troubles.

 

[DragonMals]

Its one of the reasons why they have never localized Mother 3. Apparently the game is filled with pop culture references and music clips that would get NOA in copyright troubles.

Maybe that's why a bunch of indie developers are trying to reboot the game through a bunch of various means, XD. It still hurts to know that Mother 3 is literally stuck inside of Japan for that reason... I don't know if Gorse knows this, considering he dislikes modern indies that try to recapture aspects of games that were previously done by AAA companies and such :P

 

[RustySK]

The Majora's Mask one was pretty damn flawed and those giant eyeballs ruined the boss fights, but most of the ones I played I actually liked quite a bit.
Zero Mission (*chef's kiss*);
Link's Awakening (overpriced, but good);
Super Mario RPG (fantastic soundtrack, couldn't care less about the removed pop culture references and it's not like original was all that challenging either);
Ocarina of Time 3D (I prefer the artstyle of the original, but it was fine as such)
I had no idea people were disappointed with them!

Out of curiosity - which are the bad ones? And what makes them so bad in your mind/minds?

 

[WallachiaResident98]

Metroid Zero Mission was awesome as hell, so was the Link's Awakening remake on the switch.

Those are the only two I can think of right off lol

 

[Ikagura]

I really did like the Yoshi's Island remake on the DS

It's more of a sequel than a remake though.

Copyright and Legal issues always sucks. Why remake a game if some games have references to stuff like that that cannot be transferred over to said remake? I know it doesn't make much of a difference, but I want to have stuff like this in my games.

This is just a pop culture reference though, the game itself isn't affected.

Well, I was going to talk about Kirby remakes but Hal lab is a second party dev.


Then what about Lylat Wars since it's a reboot of the SNES one? Does that count?

Metroid Zero Mission was awesome as hell, so was the Link's Awakening remake on the switch.

Those are the only two I can think of right off lol

Zero Mission and Samus Returns basically overwrote their respective originals.